Jamb liners – Fenster FAQ

June 19, 2015

The common question we get is, do we have jamb liners for a specific brand of window?  Yes, but not that brand.  What I mean is, most brands double-hung windows used a standard profile that is universal across the industry.  Yes, while there may be subtle differences in minor details, the shapes are basically the […]

The common question we get is, do we have jamb liners for a specific brand of window?  Yes, but not that brand.  What I mean is, most brands double-hung windows used a standard profile that is universal across the industry.  Yes, while there may be subtle differences in minor details, the shapes are basically the same.  Here are the only three pieces of information you need to gather:

1.  COLOR.  White or beige.

2.  LENGTH.  Measure from the top of the jamb liners to the long point of the angle at the bottom.  The standard lengths run every 4 inches to the 3/8″ of an inch.  This should be, or close to, the length you have.  We can cut standard length jamb liners up to 1″ without affecting the operation. However, you should not get a length over 3/8″ or more than 3″ away from the next standard size.

jambliner tape measure

3.  PLOW SHAPE.  This is the shape of the track on the jamb liners that match up to the groove cut into the side of the sash.

square sash plowsquare plow in linerThe square plow has a “square” shape to the track and a square shape groove cut into the side of the sash as you see here.

Vee sash plowVee sash plow in linerThe “V” plow has a “V” shaped track and the opposite “V” shaped groove on the sash allowing the two shapes to fit together.

We’re working on some short videos to make as many of our products DIY-friendly as possible.  In the meantime, here are a few installation tips.

1.  Vinyl compression jamb liners are held in the jamb pocket via a flange on the edges.  These flanges fit into a groove in a piece of trim called the jamb stop.  There is a jamb stop on the exterior side of the jamb, and one on the interior side.  As long as you are working with a wood, tilt-in double-hung window made since the early ’80s, you should have the flange-type jamb liners.  There should not be any fasteners to remove.  Pry against the jamb liner in between the edge of the liner and the jamb stop to expose the flange.  Continue to pry along one edge until the jamb liner pops out of the pocket.

2. Install the new jamb liner by setting one edge into the jamb stop and squeeze the liner together to set the flanges in place.

3. You DO, have to replace the tilt pins that match the balance ends in our kits.  New tilt pins are included along with instructions in the box.

4. I’m assuming you already had the sashes out but…Let’s go back to the beginning.  Vinyl “compression” means the sashes are held in by the liners putting pressure on the sides of the sashes to hold them in.  To “tilt-in” your sashes:

  1. Open the sash to about halfway.
  2. Push out on the jamb liners, away from the edge of the sash and gently pull toward you.
  3. Holding the sash in a horizontal position by the sides, lift one side at an angle in the opening enough to clear the tilt pin from the balance.  You should be able to lift the sash free from the opposite side and remove the sash now.
  4. Reverse to put the sash back in.  Holding the sash at an angle to the opening, seat the lower tilt pin in first.  Push down on the opposite side until both sides are even making the sash level in the opening again.
  5. Tilt the sash back up.  While applying pressure to the jamb liners, push the sash back into the tracks.  You should be able to raise and lower the sash with the tilt pins engaged with the balances.

5.  One more tip.  You don’t want to caulk any part of the jamb liners to the window frame.  It sounds like a good idea to keep water out, but the jamb liner has to be able to expand and contract to operate properly.  Caulking will basically lock it in place and not allow it to seal to the sash.  Oh, and DON’T paint them!

Hope that helps!  Order your jamb liner replacement kit today online at www.fensterUSA.com

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48 Comments

  1. Kellyg

    I am trying to refurbish a pair of 1990’s era double-hung, single-pane, 6 over 6 wood windows. They have some kind of vinyl jamb liner and I don’t think that they tilt. I can repair the sashes, but I don’t know how to fix the jamb liners. The plow is neither square nor v-shaped, but rather semi-circular. The windows may have been locally manufactured (in eastern Massachusetts), but I assume the jamb-liner was not made locally. Does this sound like anything that you have heard of before? Do you think that you might be able to supply a replacement jamb liner that would work? I am not near the house right now, so I don’t have and exact measurement, but each window is around 32″ wide by about 62″ tall.

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    • Ryan Schwartz

      Kelly, Unfortunately this doesn’t sound like anything we can help with.

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  2. craig bozek

    do you have a liner that works with sashes for early 1900s? old weight and pulley system

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    • Ryan Schwartz

      Craig, Unfortunately the liners we stock will not work for your application.

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    • Deborah

      We recently purchased a house built in 1867 that has all old single hung wood windows. They have no jamb liners but I would like to put some in to help with weather proofing. Do you sell liners that might work? Only the bottom portion of the window opens and they all have aluminum storm windows. I also live in Canada but can’t find anything here. Thank you

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  3. james

    In Stalled in 1971 wood double hung pella window vinyl lined cased spring loaded behind liner 771/2 at longest point an 77 at lowest so we have 1/2 rise at seal 31/4 on inside of lip 31/2 outside including lip that holds liner in place the tilt bar rides in the track I’m guessing the plow groove the tilt pin is fastend with a screw in the center of window frame that slides up and down the plow grove allowing the window to tilt The liner has a square groove with a rounded top The flat space between the 2 tracks 3/4 of an inch these liners were painted yrs ago you can only imagine that nightmare… spring loaded pully system behind the liner pretty cool thinkin id have to say gonna need a bunch can you handle this there are a few shorter I may need a few other parts as well and I need them yesterday….ty

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    • Ryan Schwartz

      James, Unfortunately our jambliners won’t work with a Pella product. Pella is infamous of manufacturing their own proprietary components that don’t interchange with anything else. You’ll have to go straight to Pella for this one, or unfortunately, replace the windows.

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  4. Donald

    My sashes are 1 1/4 inches thick.Will your products work?

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    • Ryan Schwartz

      Don, As long as you have tilt-in wood windows with a standard “Vee” or “Square” plow, yes, our kit should work.

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  5. Dan

    How can I purchase vinyl jamb liners for 1″ thickness square edge sashes?

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    • Ryan Schwartz

      Dan, Sorry, we don’t have anything for that thin of a sash.

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      • Donna

        I have 1996 Jeldwen double hung tilt in windows . I need new jambliners. My current jambliner is 74 3/16 inches. It has a square plow. Do your jambliners have the springs in the tracks? Can you help me?

      • Elle Evans

        Donna,

        Take a look at our universal jamnbliner kit. Here you can find all the information.

  6. John naled

    My name is john, from philly pa area looking to replace balance springs on double hung, sash windows by caradco. Jam liners are in good shape and all springs are attached at the to of the liner as well as to the window. However, windows drop when unlatched. Thinking I need new springs, but not sure.

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    • Ryan Schwartz

      John, Our balance kits will work on your Caradco windows, but it sounds like you may have a simple fix. Usually, sashes fall because they are not engaged with the balance. You need to re-seat the sash pins in the terminals. If the terminals are broken, missing, or not connected to the spring balance, then you will have to replace the jambliners.

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  7. Olga

    Hi Ryan and guys,
    We have V shaped tracks exactly like you have on the picture. Where can we buy one like that? It is 1-1/4 inch sash. We are hunting for it for quite some time already…
    Thank you!
    Olga.

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      • Olga

        Thank you so much, Ryan. I can’t find any V-shaped for single hung windows on your website. Can you give me the link? Thank you.

      • Ryan Schwartz

        Oh, You didn’t mention single hung. I’m sorry, ours will not work in your case.

  8. Bill F.

    Hello, I am seeking 54” long beige color “V” shape plow jamb liners and weight balance kits for double-hung sash of 1-3/4″ depth. The top and bottom sash each weigh 20 lbs. Do your jamb liners accommodate sash of that depth?

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    • Ryan Schwartz

      Bill, if the thickness of the sash stile itself (not the meeting rail) is 1-3/4″ then no. Ours work for 1-1/4 or 1-3/8 sash.

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  9. Nick

    Hey there, I’m looking to replace a roughly 38″ bathroom window sash. The window are 1960s double hung with a square plow. I think its a 1 3/8″ sash measuring from the plow to the edge of the sash on each end. The old alumuminum sashes were made by Monarch Metalane. There was also a spring channel balance on each side – the channel balance immediately came apart when I took the window out, so I’m not sure how long it has to be. Please help!

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    • Ryan Schwartz

      Nick, Thanks for the interest, but that’s probably a bit too old for us. Our stuff only goes back to the late 70’s or so.

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  10. Nick

    Thanks Ryan, is there a way I can remedy this situation by scraping together a couple parts, like a channel sash replacement, and pop-in a spring balance as long as it is the same size?

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    • Ryan Schwartz

      Possibly. There’s several window hardware companies online. Issue with the age of the windows will be finding available parts.

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  11. Donna

    Do these jamba work wit Malta double hung windows?

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  12. Donna

    I need 4 5’2″ jambs for my Malta windows and 1 6’2″ jamb. Are these all $99? How much is shipping? I can’t find this info. thanks!

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    • Ryan Schwartz

      Donna, That’s no problem. You just need to fill out the order form and we’ll get you taken care of.

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  13. Edwin O flamenco

    I have a double hung window with broken vinyl jam liners, 45″ tall and 31/8″ wide , can you tell me if you have something I can use to replace those liners?

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    • Ryan Schwartz

      Sorry Edwin, those measurements don’t seem to match what we have.

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  14. Chris Briley

    I need to order a jambliner could someone contact me please?

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  15. David Windham

    I need 7 sets of jamb liners for double hung wood windows. I dont know the manufacturer name. They were made in the 80s i believe. Liner lenth is 54 inches to the long side. Beige in color square plows. Do these liners come complete with balances and guides? If ao i need a price to quote for a customer. Thanks

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  16. Mike Hammer

    Hi

    I just want to make sure I understand everything I know about this…2003 MW windows..wood double hung 15/8″ thick… dimensions 30 9/16″ w ( smallest dimension of three, top middle bottom) x 32″… top sash same width 31″ high.Length of jamb liner to longest edge 63″ (standard length 64″). Square Plow Low E Glass ….3/4″flat mullion..You can make this and ship it to me in North Carolina?

    Thanks

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    • Ryan Schwartz

      We cannot Mike. We don’t offer brand specific, matching double hung sashes.

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  17. Tim

    I have v-shaped vinyl jamb-liners, installed about 30 years ago. They are held in place by a combination of screws, top and bottom, through the center of the jamb, and also with retainer clips. Is there any tool available to disengage the jamb-liner from the retainer clip without having to remove the stop moulding? I can, if need be, remove the interior stop moulding but removing the outside casing and stop is impractical. If I need to cut the clips, do you sell replacement clips, or are they simply overkill? Thanks.

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    • Ryan Schwartz

      Tim, We’re not really on the hardware side of things. Something like this is way too specific for us.

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  18. Laurie

    Hi… we have new Jeldwen windows… On the sash replacements we decided that we wanted them to be full replacement after they arrived. Jeldwen said no problem and we paid 2,500 for 7 new jambliners. That was in August and now our windows still don’t match up correctly Jeldwen says there is an industry standard filler that will make the sash replacements fit into the”new construction” jamb liners. They claim this is an industry standard. Have you ever hear of such a thing? It has been months and we have never seen the “industry standard” fix that they are promising. Thank you in advance

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  19. Paul Sigwart

    The Fenster Jambliner included in the Fenster Double Hung Sash Kit has a flange mount that differs from my original Malta Double Hung windows (circa 1992). In the video at 3mins, 26secs, Ryan Schwartz explains that “we (Fenster) are only stocking a flange mount replacement kit … that has a lip that fits into grooves on your window”.

    My Malta window frame has two metal clips behind the original Jambliner to hold it in place (i.e.: no grooves). I removed the metal clips and initially installed the Fenster Jambliners, but they bowed, putting too much pressure on the window sash when installed, making for difficult window operation. I removed the Fenster Jambliners and cut grooves into my existing Malta jambliner stops, then re-installed the Fenster Jambliners, which now snapped in much better. Now my new Fenster Double Hung sashes are installed, look great, and have smooth operation. One down, nine to go.

    This retrofit took some time, but worked great. The other option was to order Jambliners designed for the original Malta window with metal clips.

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    • Ryan Schwartz

      Thank you very much for your comments Paul. This is exactly the kind of feedback we need more of. You are exactly correct. We stock the “flange mount” style of jambliner that was most common in new construction windows. However, our liners are designed to be interchangeable with your style of window known as a “bracket mount”. You took exactly the correct steps to modify our stock liner to work with your brackets by razor knifing off the flanges. Otherwise, the liners should be very close dimensionally. Unfortunately it is a bit more work, but should still achieve the same result. While we don’t offer the option on our websites, customers can notify a sales rep that they have bracket mount liners. We will not remove the flanges in the factory, but we can provide new brackets if requested. Thanks again!

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  20. Larry Badgerow

    If i give you the exact measurement(length to long and short points), will you cut the compression jamb down to the required length.

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    • Ryan Schwartz

      Larry, I’m sorry we won’t. Those are cut to length in a jig. You can cut them to any length you wish. However, A word of caution, We sell liners to industry standard factory rough opening sizes. They have never worked for every customer, I mean EVERY customer who has tried to cut them to a different size. This is an issue of either, a mis-understanding of where to measure from, or the customer is trying to use our liners for a different application for which they were intended.

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  21. Kevin Grindstaff

    I have used your jambliners in some Caradco windows with great success. However I have a couple of Caradco windows that the length falls between the standard sizes you list. Any tips on how I should go about cutting them to the proper length myself?

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    • Ryan Schwartz

      Hello Kevin, That is odd. To my knowledge all Caradco models stayed within common industry opening sizes. But none the less, we cut them with vinyl siding blade in a small miter saw, but a hacksaw would work as well.

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  22. jane Irene Constant

    Dear Ryan Schwartz,
    In 1980, we installed Rimco double-hung double pane spring-loaded wood sash tilt windows. We subsequently used Brosco replacement jamb liners. Recently, I tried to obtain more Brosco jamb liner replacements, but they are no longer available. Are you familiar with Brosco jamb liners, and does this sound like the kind of replacement jamb liner that you carry? Thanks so much for your assistance.
    Best wishes,
    Jane I. Constant

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    • Ryan Schwartz

      Hello Jane, No I am not familiar with that brand. I don’t know what style of liners Rimco used back then. It would have to be something that you compare what you have to the photos and dimensions we have shown on our website to determine if they are a match.

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